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Bonus: Technically Queer: Transhumanism Moral Panic

This weekHey para-pals, Alex here! I hate feed drops, but I'm a hypocrite and doing one anyway. I think you might like a new podcast I'm doing with some other trans friends of ours called Technically Queer. If you don't like computers, you will not like this s
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Hey para-pals, Alex here. 

I hate feed drops, but I'm a  hypocrite and doing one anyway. 

I think you might like a new podcast I'm doing with some other trans friends of ours called Technically Queer. 

If you don't like computers, you will not like this show, and I'm sorry in advance! 

TECHNICALLY QUEER EPISODE SUMMARY

In this premiere episode(!), Alex, Bryan, Cass, and Quinn introduce themselves, get to know each other more, and discuss their current relationships to queerness, technology, and the intersections between the two.

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AlexLike, it is very sad that the person, the, like, inventor slash investor Segway guy or whatever, he, like, died on a Segway. But I think that that's, I don't know, that's how I'd want to go.

Speaker AI think they're acceptable mode of transportations, you know? Like, I do think it's wild. Didn't he, like, fall off a cliff? Or is that, like, made up?

AlexBecause, like, I have no idea. It's unclear. But he definitely, there was definitely a Segway involved. involved and like i would love it if i like choked on a boom arm or something like that would be a

Speaker Bgood way to go i don't know i mean not only was there a segue but he there was a segue into a

Speaker Cdifferent uh point of his life or death it's just i can't even say it no segues by the way

Speaker Bwelcome to the very first episode of technically queer i'm done i'm quitting it's over show zero um yeah welcome so this is our pilot episode we're so excited to be here with all of you today but we should introduce ourselves that's true so um i'll start since i'm talking um my name is brian guffey um you may know me from such other shows as unsolicited fatty stockback but really

My connection to tech is that I work in tech now. I've been working in IT for, gosh, 13 years, which is really weird considering I'm a BFA in musical theater. Yeah, I work in tech. I click things and make computers go brr. But I'm queer, and specifically I am an agender giant. That's what I am. and uh yeah i came out when i was like 14 but not as an age gender giant as a gay um being trans

was only like the past like four years so yeah that's me and that's my connection to tech and queerness also like a very weird so i'm also clear that way

Speaker Ayeah i said words so i guess i gotta go yeah you know if you say the words you just get you get handed the talking stick you know like normally pass it around but actually like it's a teleporting

Alextalking stick ryan just threw it across zoom and we're not all in person right now quinn right in

Speaker Athe face yeah so it's the soft one i guess you know my name my name's quinn uh i am what do i want to say about myself always a question secret secrets are no fun unless you share with actually no one uh you don't get into my secret uh my name is quinn uh my connection to technology is i work in tech i've been programming since i was a kid basically uh i work in tech for a company that shall remain uh nameless uh but if you google my name i guess you'll probably find it and uh yeah so i i'm a programmer i program things i also make computers go burr but mostly i make them go

yeah that's real yeah yeah yeah as i say programming is a smashing your head against a wall 40 times but then every so often like something works and you get like a tiny bit of dopamine and you're like it was worth it and your head's like no it wasn't no like it was worth it you know yeah uh and my connection to queerness i am fun fact i'm queer in case you're wondering uh i am a queer uh i'm a many of queers currently my uh my my queer identities are all of them uh

but the answer to what they are is question mark we'll come back don't come back to that the answer is hmm uh and the uh solution is in the future so maybe if i give an update you'll learn or you won't or you'll see me on twitter tweeting stupid things and you'll learn that way always a question uh always an answer so yeah that's me uh i'm here i am queer

Whoa, Iran.

AlexOh my gosh, you know what? That could be a thing. People should start seeing that.

Speaker BNo, please. What comes after that? Do people get okay with it?

Speaker AWell, I'm queer. I'm here, I'm queer, and it's time for Cass to introduce himself. Oh God, I wasn't ready. I'm never ready for these things. I believe in yourself. I wasn't ready and I just went.

Speaker CNo, that's fair. I normally just wing things and I thought I would plan it out and I did not because I hyper focused on the wrong things today. So here we are. Yeah. So my name is Cass. I am also queer. I am non-binary because gender. Why? Why gender? My connection to tech is I work in the intersection of tech and finance. My company will also rename nameless. I somehow stumbled into tech operations despite having a degree in math and music. don't know why i'm here don't know what i'm doing here i honestly don't even know what my job is

most days i am a trans femme i'm non-binary and just gay in general honestly same like just gay

Speaker Bbut yeah also more and less what but just gay but vibing gay but why actually in fact i'm probably

Speaker Alike I'm queer but am I gay a great question that would have to answer the question am I happy because

Speaker Bare we sure I don't know truthfully I am a caftan like that's what I am my gender is caftan like honestly caftan is my gender

Speaker Cmy gender is don't look at me please stop looking at me

Speaker Adon't perceive me

Speaker Cand with not perceiving me Alex

Alexand i have caught the zoom stick i guess i'm alex yeah i oh yes it i definitely caught it and it definitely did not poke me in the eye and i'm like hobbling up to the microphone the uh hi i'm alex cox i don't work for a company i guess i work for cox productions llc which is what i name the bank account where my money goes into um but I am the least technically qualified

person here I mostly got into tech because I was a lonely sad little nerd and that is just what I uh did essentially like I listened to podcasts about tech a lot and then I ended up going to film school because film people aren't always very good at tech so then I was like the person who knew how to transfer files off SD cards um and then I worked for a game company Cards Against

Humanity in Chicago for seven years and my job changed like all the time but essentially I organized cables and put on live events which require a bunch of hardware and tech things so basically I adore being around every type of tech but I'm not very good at it and the same is true of being queer because I technically have like never come out to anybody it has always been an assumption that people shouldn't make but they were correct in doing so and I mean like it was

uh like uh just one day my mom was watching Ellen DeGeneres and was like yeah yeah yeah and I and And I was like, yeah. And I mean, I just started using they, them pronouns like years ago, but then also didn't tell anybody except like my, I had a very long pronoun beta period, you know? Amazing.

Yeah. And I mean, I fully support also like the gender beta period. It's very, very good. Everyone should test it out. It is. It is indeed.

Speaker BI think Quinn's in gender alpha right now.

Speaker AI think Nintendo like alpha point 1.2. It's been a three year process. We might have a new major update coming soon, but we might not. It might crash on the way there. Like anything's possible. Alex, Alex, I love how you were like, Oh, I'm, I only got into tech cause I was a sad nerd. Like you weren't making an assumption about a lot of people. All of us. Yeah.

Speaker CStill sad.

AlexStill nerd. Exactly. Well, that's the thing. It's like some people got into tech because it like helped them make friends.

Speaker CAnd that's not because for me. Like, honestly.

AlexWho did that? It was a detriment.

Speaker CI don't know. A lot of people were.

AlexBut the thing is, my sort of connection to attacking queerness is because at the very least, I could have my perception be a genderless blob, which I mostly prefer. like uh i'm non-binary gender clear i truly think about gender more than most people but i hate all of the words more than i think most people do so i mean i i i don't know like a great question mark

Speaker Ayeah yeah so you know the words are questionable questioning yeah i said cath there

Alexalso don't you don't you run at least

Speaker Cone technology podcast

Alexno i that's true i am on well i'm on this podcast and i have a uh secret not so secret podcast called factory settings which is a factory setting but with a five instead of an s that is uh again secret not so secret and then i have a podcast about uh gender our minds and all sorts of transitions called two-oated girl with my spouse who is trans mask and i have a podcast with my dear friend internet's merlin man that we call a challenge podcast but really it's an excuse for us to just like try to do something weird or silly

every week or sometimes useful and did i forget any oh dear lord i forgot my your most tech podcast My most tech podcast is with the internet's very own unicorn, Kathy Campbell, Roboism, which is about tech robots and all sorts of isms, but mostly robots. But honestly, we talk about capitalism most of the time.

Speaker CWhich can be found on Relay FM, Switch On.

AlexIndeed.

Speaker AThe Switch On is so deeply cursed.

AlexI didn't know it would catch on. It was a joke.

Speaker AAlice, don't you know that everything starts as a joke?

AlexHonestly, that's my identity. That's what it is. I'm a joke, but I caught on a little bit.

Speaker AI told my friend once that my gender was a girl as a joke, and now we might not be sure anymore. So, like, things start as jokes. Also, the never telling anyone thing is such a mood. I came up to my parents when they called me out because all my friends were calling me Quinn and they were confused.

Speaker BMy parents literally called me into their bedroom after the third or fourth time finding gay porn on my computer at the age of 14 because I learned the internet quickly. They gave me a book. We got a book with our first computer, which was a Macintosh LC2. it was a book called The Internet Yellow Pages and there was a whole section under S for sex they never took the book from me

so I just learned about sex that way let me tell you not the best way

AlexI can't imagine why it would be unhealthy for someone to learn about sex from the internet and the yellow pages

Speaker Band I might have been 10 or 11 when this happened like that's far too early and also my parents never had a chance with me in the internet like um but yeah they called me into their room when i was 14 and they said we know you're gay did they know before you did no they were not offended at all i mean i got offended i was like how dare you come out for me i wanted to have a dramatic coming out this is this is deeply unfair

Alexi mean to to be fair to your parents they did give you i mean third or fourth time they're pretty

Speaker Byeah yeah yeah they just ignored it they wouldn't talk about it it was wild they would take my keyboard but then they would just like put it in the drawer of their you know back in the 90s when you had like the giant thing like the giant headboard furniture thing with like the pull with like the opening doors and everything and in drawers to like where the king dad was in your pantry was like far too much but like they would just you could see my stressed face right now and

Speaker AHe said, remember from the 90s? Oh, no.

AlexThat's right. Oh, no. God, yeah. Let's out me. I'm 31. So I'm like, yeah, the 90s. And then as you go into more detail, it starts to fog up because I was like, was I sentient yet?

Speaker CI was born in 94, so 90s is big.

Speaker BI was born in 82. I am the oldest person on this podcast.

Speaker AAlex, I was born in 98 at the end. God.

Speaker BMm.

AlexMm. Mm. I was born in 90 so I mean it was like everyone is it's not that I am again not nostalgic really about my childhood because uh I did not make many friends but it did feel like a great time to get into tech because immediately it was I knew more than my parents but it wasn't so fast yeah yeah And, like, I was lucky enough to have, I literally don't remember a time without computers in my life, but I do remember getting, I am not a Windows user now, I just, everyone needs to know that.

But I did remember getting. It's okay, you're safe here. Thank you, I need a safe space. They did decide to get a Gateway 2000, which is. We had one too. Yeah, because it was like actually affordable and it came in a cute cow box and a lot of games came with it. And that, I mean, that's like my villain origin story, really.

Speaker AI also had a Windows computer, but it ran Windows XP. And it was the first computer I had, but I remember nothing about it because the first computer I only remember is my dad came home and said, someone got me this Mac computer. I'm intrigued by it. And plopped it next to the Windows computer and said, whoa, there's only one cable? That's pretty cool. because the Windows computer had 30 billion cables and never worked. And no one wanted to use the Windows computer. The only thing I did on it was empty the recycle bin because it made fun noises.

AlexOh, it did make up a noise. It does make fun noises, yeah.

Speaker BYou know, so we've introduced ourselves, and I wondered if we wanted to tell folks a little bit about what the concept of the show is and sort of how we came to what the show is going to be.

Speaker ABrian, that's a great idea. Imagine if we told people about the show. what is the show 34 minutes in

Speaker Bclearly you know whatever the show is

Speaker Ais the show is in the show except for the things that aren't in the show and then we'll say cut it but will we cut it always a question that is a 50-50 chance

Speaker Cwe'll see how drunk I am later today

Speaker Bthis show is actually just bits from other shows that's all we're doing that's the whole show that's crazy honestly

Alexthat's 50% of podcasts at this time 50% of podcasts are meta

Speaker Ayeah

AlexIt's meta-jokes. It's relations to other podcasts. It's meta-jokes.

Speaker AIt's going to be like, so this is podcast.

Speaker BThat's how podcast networks are born.

AlexThat's very true, actually.

Speaker BLike, two podcasts get together, and they have a baby made of bits. And that's how a podcast network grows up.

AlexWow. Pod normative. Easy there.

Speaker BOh, that's true. I didn't say that. Yeah, they have a baby made of bits. They have a baby made of bits. Podcasts, bro. A baby made of bits.

Speaker CA potty-cule. A potty-cule. A potty-cule. No. I'm sorry

AlexI'm not that sorry but I have a little sorry

Speaker Athat's so good that's so good can we stop calling podcast networks podcast networks and start calling them potty can we have a relationship map between all the like I have friends that are in polycules and they joke that they like need to keep like a graph theory to like keep track of all the relationships and so like now we need a pottycule graph theory

Speaker BYou're going to make that, Quinn.

Speaker AYou're going to make it. I am not doing that. Oh, I really need to. That's a great tweet.

Speaker BThis is the beginning of the TQ Cinematic Podcast Universe, the TQPU. Oh, that's terrible. That's terrible, the TQPU.

AlexOh, that's really good.

Speaker Bbut speaking of the show so I originally had this idea for the show while I was on surprise Twitter

Speaker Athe place where things go to die but also be born

Speaker Bit's true I was actually really mad because it was when spaces were popping off on Twitter and I was like I somehow accidentally ended up in developer Twitter I don't know how because I'm not really a developer though we'll get to that later maybe I'm going to become one, we'll see but I was like there's all these spaces about being black in tech and being a woman in tech and notice how I said those in different pitches

because I realized I didn't want to be ironic about being a woman in tech because I am black but not a woman you know um yeah chicken problem um but other but like i was like there's nothing about being queer in tech and like the thing for me has always been like it's always been very interesting for me to be a queer person working in tech because when i started in tech there were very few queer people in tech that i knew of but then they all came out as trans women oh my yes it's

Speaker Ctrue it's very very true are we gonna talk about the socks at some point because i can't get over it i don't know what that is i don't know what that is programmer socks programmers oh the high

Speaker Aokay yeah yeah like how there's no programmers and like you just got to go look for people at thigh highs that yes funny that's what i'm wearing right now so

Speaker Byeah um as i watch my boyfriend slowly turn into a femboy maybe we'll cut that it's very funny he just started wearing thigh highs and then he bought a skirt the other day and i was like oh yes victory thigh highs are great yeah and so i tried to start like three uh three twitter spaces about being queer in tech and almost nobody showed up except quinn um and then a couple a couple of our other friends ollie showed up um and then sean showed up uh

Sean, a shout out to Sean at sccode underscore um. Sean is an amazing and hilarious non-binary chaos gremlin, which is what he calls himself. But so then I was like, maybe a podcast. Maybe that'll work. And then I tried to get people together for it. And of course it took forever because I have ADHD.

But then Quinn and I talked about it. Then we talked to Alex and then we talked to Cass. And now we're all here. Woo.

Speaker COh, have we talked about how like almost all of us have ADHD? because I think that is very funny.

Speaker AI'm not officially diagnosed. I told you I have a 70% chance based off statistics.

Speaker CSo at least three of us, probably three and a half of us, have ADHD.

AlexYeah, it's going to – and at least one of us is bipolar. Like totally neurotypical podcast over here. The most neurotypical.

Speaker BWhat is that? I'm excited to get super anxious about the podcast after we're done with the podcast. You can see I get anxious before. You didn't get anxious before?

AlexYeah.

Speaker BOh, interesting. oh man so yeah like just find us on the internet being anxious um about the podcast you can tell

Speaker Cwhen i'm anxious because i start tweeting a lot more and that means i have a problem

Speaker Aif i was okay and i said why are you asking that and they said you made 20 tweets in the past hour and i said that's mean uh you're not okay actually uh and they said yeah thanks for and i was like thanks for reaching out you know

Speaker BI'm really like intentionally I don't I use Twitter like it's Facebook it's really funny I just write long threads I don't know how to say anything in a single tweet but you know and then sometimes you accidentally say things in a tweet that go viral that was so weird

Speaker CI haven't had that happen yet I'm so happy I don't want that to happen

Speaker Bit doesn't happen to anything that you think it would I have written so many tweets that I thought might go viral and the one that did I totally dashed it off and was like, I'm just angry today so I'm going to write this tweet. And it was a good tweet by the way. It was not a bad angry tweet. It was like a good angry tweet. But so yes, Technically Queer a show about our relationship to queerness and tech and really what that intersection of queerness and tech really is and what it means to all of us and sort of how we explore that.

So on this show we'll probably talk about tech news but not just like a tech news show

Speaker Abut mostly butt plugs

Speaker Bare we getting to that this early? we're not going to tell you it's a secret it's a tease it's a butt tease it's a butt tease it's a quick little lick

Alexoh my god it's funny because in terms of like quote identity I really tend to put tech first I guess when it's someone's like what's the most what like what's most entrenched in your bones and i'm like oh tech sure but the older i've gotten and the more that i experience both tech and queerness i realize how both like interlocked but also interchangeable they are because there are just so many moral panics

caused for on both sides sometimes for the same reason like you know what makes people violent transness in video games yep definitely is what happens the internet's breaking children's minds and also making them gay like it's very i mean it's a tale as old as time but also something that you don't realize until you are really immersed in especially when you're immersed in both worlds at the same time and uh both i think both communities and sort of the progress

of both queerness and tech i've i have always like excited me the most because of um i mean we i'm sure we will talk about gatekeeping and all that nonsense many many times oh that's an important aspect of this whole thing the yes i mean we are making a queer podcast not many queer tech podcasts exist as broin said and i i wonder why it's kind of like some people are like don't think we need to listen to that um when like almost all of the origins of innovative tech

projects basically came from a bunch of weirdos or queer people but usually both yeah like literally

Speaker Bliterally like queer weirdos are the people who you have to thank for your computers today

Speaker Aand when freaking turing if you use a synthesizer the person that invented like basically everything that led for digital synthesizers was a trans woman oh really

Alexthat does not just that's wonderful and does not shock me that it would just my favorite thing is

Speaker Athe inventor of serious xm is a trans woman really yeah yeah so the inventor of serious xm is a trans woman and then switched into pharmaceuticals um which is interesting because like i think like every so often like me and my friends are like damn like i wish there was any studies about trans people i guess like do i switch my job and figure it out so i can do it myself but yeah it's

Alexpretty wild there is a lovely book that i recommend to well almost everybody called detransition baby and on my bookshelf it's i i enjoy it a lot and something real hard clicked when one of the characters are like yes trans women are either they either work in tech or they're sex workers and i did like a inventory of my friends and the only two exceptions i think like obviously they're nope nope i was gonna say well one's a doctor but they're all like either

tech adjacent or sex workers and i'm like oh interesting no that's super interesting so i i

Speaker Ajust read this book like trans girl suicide museum and it was also saying like oh yeah like most trans trans women that i know like regardless of class like don't work office jobs but if they do work office jobs they actually work in tech so they can work remotely and avoid every institutional

Speaker Cbuilding with normal people that sounds lovely and i was like damn like that is that that does

Speaker Atrack you know but yeah they're like i don't know i've definitely heard this joke that like someone's like oh wow your team's 50 diverse like 50 men 50 women how'd you get that and they're like oh like we actually do only hire men. Just 50% of them came out.

AlexYeah.

Speaker CIn my acapella group, which I guess I didn't throw in my intro, over the pandemic, we lost all of our men and I was the last one to go because I transitioned during the pandemic and suddenly there were no men in our group.

Speaker BAmazing. That's so powerful. Maybe this is what's happened to acapella groups all the time and we just haven't known because it's always hard to get enough men in singing groups, and maybe they're just all transitioning, and we didn't know that that's what was happening.

Speaker CMore trans girl tenors. Honestly. Yes. Honestly.

Speaker BAlex, you were talking about your relationship to queerness in tech, which was perfect, because that's our topic today, our relationship to queerness in tech. And I was thinking about how I don't think that I really know, like my queerness grew up with my exposure to tech. Like they're so intertwined. I learned, I mean, like I learned about queerness on the internet when there was basically no other

place to learn about it because it was 1996. And I mean, my first experience or exposure to other queer people were the planet out chat rooms on America Online.

And I, yeah, I was thinking that I don't think I've ever known a, so for me, like, tech and queerness are so intertwined because the computer that was, that was in my parents, my dad's office was where I began to learn about being a queer person, you know, and getting my own computer like the first big thing I ever purchased was the beginning of my ability to really explore my own identity

safely because there was no other place for me to do it and of course the internet safe. Let me tell you, the first thing you don't need as a queer person is like when you're trying to figure out about queer sex is to go to nifty.org. Go to what? I don't know what that is

AlexI don't know, but the nifty part...

Speaker BNifty.org is queer erotica.

AlexOh, that's...

Speaker BI just want to be clear. It is a fantasy site that exists for every type of fantasy that you might have.

Speaker CI know what I'm visiting.

Speaker BYeah, exactly. But I want to be like everything, which means all of the things that you learn are things that are not like... Not real. There's no context between what is appropriate and what is not appropriate in the real world. And so it's just all sort of blurred there together. And it's not how you should learn about these things. One of the things that I think we'll definitely talk about more in this is, and we talked about gatekeeping a little bit,

and there's always been this thing that we're trying to wrestle with on the internet, which is like information wants to be free, and how do you make sure that people don't get information they don't need at the wrong times, or even more importantly, that they have people they can talk to about it. Absolutely. Because the problem wasn't that I found that stuff or read it. It was that there was nobody to help me put it into context. There was nobody that I could talk to about it.

Speaker CYeah, it's putting it in that real-world context that I think a lot of people need, and queer people especially haven't gotten for a long long time yeah it's definitely super

Speaker Ainteresting to think just like how like technology let queerness flourish and i think like continues to let queerness flourish like whenever i think about like queerness i really like to think about like you know not queers and gay marriage but like queers and like a revolutionary idea in some ways and i like to think like how like i think like that revolutionary idea of queerness and like i think like like bodily autonomy and like the way that like people can express themselves and like through technology modify themselves i think is like super interesting and i think like

technology is like allowing people to both like like learn their queerness and and explore their queerness and understand it and like find people that aren't that are like similar but also like the way that like our platforms exist right now to find stuff it seems to like oddly trend in weird directions right like it's like somehow i like to think about like when i first like got on tiktok i feel like there's a bunch of trans people being like yo i'm trans and i'm getting a smoothie today i'm like damn that's sick that they're just like i'm trans and i'm getting a

smoothie and now you go on to be fair i've mostly avoided this but there's like it's become like twitter meets tumblr like the worst part about tumblr and the worst part about twitter like you get 10 seconds to explain something and we got a discourse you know we must talk about why why bi lesbians can't exist and i'm like oh my god not this i hate this no no no keep going but yeah i have that word muted on twitter.com um you should yeah like i think it's so interesting like the duality of that about how like

uh about how like i think the internet lets you explore your queerness and technology lets you explore your queerness and like find it and i think i don't know i was thinking about how because i'm younger like i think i probably experienced things being like oh would i find this like people like i wish i had this when i was a kid when i was younger and that's even more true like i think like there's like video games that let people explore queerness and it's becoming more normalized um and it's becoming more like allowed to explore it but yet there's this like

super extreme backlash to it and like the way that our platforms are set up and the way that like certain things are set up which is how often people interact with like the internet i don't know if i always try to want to remove not remove but like allow to talk about technology without the internet but i don't think it's possible i don't not at this point yeah yeah that's the thing

Alexthat yeah like as brian was talking i realized that i sort of had this same experience of like safely exploring things both online and like queerness and like tinkering with software and it was safe but it was also lonely and as like as I've gotten older it's kind of like those things have come together whereas like oh this really solitary experience has become more and

more of a community but then it's now it's almost like the moral panic sometimes coming

Speaker Cfrom inside the gay like it really is it does feel like the the gay infighting is so frustrating it's really interesting like i didn't even make my first internet friend until maybe last year because i did all of my tech by myself i mean like i didn't even know that i i was exploring my gender at the time but like I didn't even know I was trans until like the first year of the pandemic but there were so many signs leading up to it as I was like in games and like exploring the gender of like playing as somebody that looks more like what I think myself to look like

uh even like when you don't know that you're actually queer it does help you explore it in

Alexthat safe space it should have been a well I guess it did tip a lot of people off that I got really into transhumanism and cyborgs before i even like started to explore the game like i'm already geared up for the transhumanism moral panic i've been thinking about this since i was like nine

Speaker Ayears old but i'm so ready for the transhumanism moral panic it's a transhumanism revolution

Alexyeah it's gonna be quite a time like oh man and i really do think sort of with all of us it's like as we got more tech and also being able to modify and change our bodies that became as it became more acceptable we it's i i love the slippery slope i want to slip down that slope slip slip on my slope but then at the same time we have the gatekeeping of some of us don't want to change our bodies in

the same way that you know we can't talk about tech without the internet because it's just the the venn diagram sometimes certain sides want it to be a circle and it feels a little strange which is why i really like that the four of us are all almost i think like almost five years different in age and it's not like the internet really does work in like five or four year periods I think like the Tumblr age, the Twitter age.

Now we are solidly in the clock age. And I don't know if any of them are better or worse.

Speaker AWhen you said clock age, my brain went straightly to we're clocking people.

Speaker CThat's what I'm about to.

Speaker AYeah.

AlexOh, that's true too. I mean, actually, I stand by it.

Speaker BYou're not wrong. Well, and I think one of the interesting things about the point that you're making, Alex, is that there are all of these ages. but what doesn't happen or what hasn't happened yet is except for maybe aol um and aol was like definitely an age like prodigy aol compu serve they all existed sort of together um bbs's but like the internet like the web is still there like like they still like and what we started to see happening now is like tumblr is still there it may be smaller but like the queer and

trans people who were doing like who are having like wild like really intense conversations and not intense in a bad way but like deep conversations on tumblr like those people stayed like they're still there they're just also now on twitter and they're also now on tiktok like what i think is really interesting is the way that those things don't necessarily go away as instead they just start stacking and how how that has an impact on the way that on the discourse and the way that we

talk because now we're all in these different hyper um you know hyper algorithmed spaces that throw things you know that are that are that are surfacing certain things and then we go and hop into another place and we talk about it there versus the days of the the old days of yore where you were like on a message board and you had to read 150 messages to get to the end where you would type your response. And like the design meant that you didn't,

like you couldn't respond until you went to the end.

Speaker AYo, the medium is the message. Maybe that one person was right. I know that we don't like that. I forget his name.

Speaker CI forget his name.

Speaker ASomething. I don't know.

AlexI kind of wonder how much the sort of algorithm, wow, all of the computer bits that surface certain kinds of content. I don't necessarily want to go back to message boards and message board discourse, but along with bodily autonomy, I wonder if some of our tech autonomy is slowly getting away from us.

And that's what worries me, too, because, I mean, I'm sort of algorithm neutral at this point, but just like every other systematic tech, it's developed, usually developed by people, often queer people, and then popularized by white men for profit. And I'm saying like, you all know this, probably most people who are listening to this know this, but I do truly wonder if sort of our, what we know as queerness now will slowly be like squeezed out of us.

Like the girl bossing that has happened to a lot of feminism. And, you know, the next, the first like trans CEO is going to be like Tim Cook. It's going to be bad. Like, yay, Tim Cook is gay.

Speaker Abut that's a curse statement right there yeah i like i am worried i so i i listened to i forgot podcast this was but it was in another podcast and they're talking about how like they're worried that like you know the next person that maybe invents like the new awesome hormones or whatever for trans people is gonna be uh a trans person maybe but like a hashtag girl boss trans person

Alexthat you have to like get that patent baby yeah yeah yeah oh patents are deeply cursed

Speaker Ahyper capitalist trans person so i found and like i think it's so interesting how like there still is like within trans communities like a sense of just like because of like i think like the moral panic and because like how like kind of like everything is super medicalized in some way and i think like i don't know like one of the reasons i started to transition was i read this article that was called like just transition already i think it's called something like that it's maybe called it's called go ahead transition it's by alex green it's on extra.com or sorry extramagazine.com i was like it's a dot c i'm like canadian-ing myself

uh but it was just like the idea was just so interesting about how like you can just like you should be allowed to think of changing yourself especially with i feel like there was this phase when people were being like and i think it's still important that like we believe this but like there's this phase with non-binary people where they're like it's okay to be you can not you can be non-binary and you don't need to transition and i like deeply yes wrong like medically transition i deeply strongly believe that but i think that happened for a bit

was saying if it became it's okay to be non-binary and not transition that's like super like awesome and valid and etc etc i hate the word valid but we can come back to that oh we should definitely come back to that yeah yeah but i think what it became is like you don't if you if you transition like medically then you're not non-binary and like you must be moving in a direction and like also i don't know if this is true for other people that they've seen but every single like like every single like amab we'll come back to that as well as a concept i hate but whatever

um yeah non-binary person i see is actually like jk lowell i'm a girl um like for like a ton of the people i follow on the internet um and it felt like oh like i can't just like do that and this person's like no like you should be allowed to be like i want to try this thing like oh i can do it it's fine like it the beginning the article is talking about how like people did like skin like skin rejuvenation or skin resurfacing which like did a bunch of like wacky things like injecting yourself with collagen needles um and so like why is like getting laser hair removal if

you're a trans person like seeing as like oh this like weird extra thing or just like general like feminization stuff or masculinization stuff like being like oh you can't do it if you're not non-binary you have to be a man or a woman and like allowing yourself to do it you know something that blew my

Alexmind was how pervasive plastic plastics again words are weird but like plastic surgery is among cis women but it's kind of something that just isn't talked about and gosh almost all of my the cis friends who are over 40 have had like some sort of whatever you want to call it injection enhancement whatever uh and shout out to christina warren the oh i didn't know about her and then i

was like yeah she talked about it yeah and i'm like oh there i think she is the first person i know who has talked about it publicly but i mean it's just kind of wild too how these all of these procedures were being done for for slash on trans people and then safely it was the safety of it was figured out and then passed on to cis people you tested on the minorities

yes as is tradition as is welcome to america um but yeah and quinn like like you were saying is like any sort of transition at least that i plan to do which is mostly probably just going to be my tits but who who knows it really i i don't even see it that much linked to my transness rather to my agency as a person yeah just your bodily autonomy yeah right and i mean i truly

believe in sort of like the beta pronouns and like we can also get into like accidental misgendering and like how we should be a little more gentle as trans people to one another but like yeah let's test it out i i went to this article and i love absolutely adore the illustration at the beginning so we definitely have to put this in show notes yeah yeah i just like i like

Speaker Ato think how trans people are supporting them because like each other through like the map because like the medical system so weird i don't know i saw this one website recently it's called diyhrt.github.io and it's this entire website to be like oh you want to transition but the medical

Alexsystem sucks that's the another thing that i grapple with yeah i didn't i do it for you but you know i'd put a bunch of stuff together to have to do it that's very good like that's that's

Speaker Bthe other thing i'm so conflicted about though is oh also by the way though literally that site goes where do you want to go trans mask guide or trans femme guide you get two choices yeah oh yeah the

Speaker Cwhole binary because like i don't i don't understand people who can choose a binary like why would you ever want to pick one and then i'm also that person who does the full feminization i'm on feminizing hormones i got my face hair lays it off because i hate my scruffle so like it's weird because like i believe that i don't want to be a woman whatsoever and yet still

Speaker Bi'm doing that trans femme thing of like going for women differences there cast like if you get rid of your facial hair because you want to get rid of your facial hair great but getting rid of your facial hair shouldn't be this thing that means you want to be a girl yeah yeah this is

Alexsomething i struggle with every single morning because i hate my facial hair it's always been incredibly thick on the internet i do talk about how i am a very large polish yeti so i just have lots of hair and i like i just like to get rid of all of it and i was often shamed by women who We're like, who are you doing that for? It's like me. It's scritchy. I don't like it. And it really kind of kept me away from my enviousness because I was like, well, if I, you know, hate having facial hair and I don't like having hair on my arms, it must like I must be a lady.

Right. Right. and now I'm realizing not how cheap but how accessible laser hair removal is and how just like this little part of my chin that I hate every single morning that causes acne and makes me self-conscious like I could just get rid of that for like a couple hundred bucks like and it's like

Speaker Bwow yeah to be to be fair it's very accessible for white people because for people oh yes You have to be careful or you will not end up with results that you are happy with.

Speaker CAnd you tend to have to go through a lot more, a lot more treatments to get the same results.

Speaker BYeah. And I think about, so it's interesting. I, on the other hand, as like, I had a, I used to hate, well, I don't know. I don't know. For a long time, I wasn't comfortable with my body hair, but I had it, right? my dad my dad is a white man for everybody who doesn't know my dad is a white man um and i got the hairy part that's what i got got the hairy part of like just so much body hair just so much um and i recently had a conversation with my boyfriend who was like um like

and we were i was like we may never we may never uh we are basically we may never have sex because I love my body hair and you hate body hair. And like that's fine. But I'm not going to get rid of my body hair I don't think because I love it. And I am an agender person who likes to wear caftans and loves earrings and all of these things can go together. And what I love about that go ahead transition piece and what I love about this idea that I think we're getting

to is it shouldn't be about a direction. It should be about choices you make with your body because you want to make those choices yeah queerness again not as um not as like being in a binary and choosing the opposite of the thing that other people think that you are but queerness is in as doing the whatever the fuck you want with your body and your identity yeah do what makes you

Speaker Cfeel good like i haven't been this okay with my body in over 20 years and this is like i can look at myself in a video now and not automatically cringe and that's just from being able to make

Speaker Amy own bodily choices it it is so interesting just because like the other thing that i was thinking about is like i think like we should it's super cool to like i like we should normalize being allowed to change your bodies but i always am like worried that we are going to end up falling into this trap of like normalize changing your bodies to fit this really specific state to fit this really like norm that we want for the world right like i worry about that all the time about like do we normalize botox or do we stop saying that no one should ever have wrinkles and how do

we do both or how do we do neither and what does that mean right like because you're saying no one talks about having plastic surgery it seems a thing that a ton of people do but people like have to be shameful about it and on one hand i'm like we should stop freaking doing that But on the other hand, people should stop feeling like they need to get that because the society is doing that.

AlexDualities, not binaries.

Speaker BYes, exactly. And also that's only true if the plastic surgery they're getting is not liposuction. Because if it's liposuction, everybody's shouting it from the rooftops. I didn't know that. Absolutely. Yeah. I think about what you said. I'm not, no, I, because the ideal, the quote unquote ideal, like I will never fit that. And I have no interest in fitting that. And it took me 20, I recently said this to my therapist and I realized it took me almost

40 years to realize that I had never had a problem with my body until somebody else gave me a problem with my body. Yeah. And it's why I never ended up getting bariatric surgery or anything. Because I knew somewhere that that was not a thing I wanted to do. It wasn't a thing for me. It might be a thing for other people. And I can have lots of conversations about how, again, I think everybody should be able to do what they want to do.

But you cannot divorce the thing that you do from the context in which you do it.

Speaker CYeah.

Speaker BYou can't divorce yourself. society exactly exactly like yeah like that's you know like and those choices we need to be aware at least and own that if we are playing into a narrative that and we are reinforcing that narrative that we own that that's the choice that we're making and are willing to deal with

Speaker Athe attendant effects yeah yeah yeah no for sure because that was like the interesting thing that i was thinking about with the like a ton of like a ton of amen people that i know end up being like haha i'm just a girl and then when i was like oh do i want to like start like medically transitioning or whatever i'm like am i falling in this weird trap because like it's hard to be air quote air quote androgynous yeah when you're a map because what we've decided androgynous is femme body mass clothes yes and white and skinny yes um yeah yeah yeah yeah and white and skinny and

that's not gonna be possible for me and i've you know i've started this whole thing and i'm like super enjoying and it's super fun it's just like awesome to kind of like feel comfortable changing my body but at the same time like that was a huge like am i doing this because i'll never fit what i like society says is a thing that i should be able to fit as a non-binary person because like what androgyny is is it's like not it's not in reach and like is that why so many like non-binary AMAB people air quotes uh end up transitioning to becoming like like end up being

like oh like going way more femme you know it's a hard question to answer yeah because like we'll

Speaker Cget to misgendering at some point but like my ideal is for one person to see me and gender me as a man and another person to see me and gender me as a woman and every once in a while I hit that sweet middle point but yes it's so hard to like live that androgynous lifestyle as an amap person because like it's yeah the way people perceive you it's so easy for them to just immediately go to man um no matter i feel like no matter what you do you should read transgender trans

Speaker Atrans girl suicide museum oh i have it on my i have it on my uh coffee table right now

Speaker BI literally, and it's funny because you say that, Cass, and for me, my ideal is that I would only be known as the entity known as Brian. Like that nobody would associate gender with me at all.

That I would just exist. I think about, I want to be like the giant earth mother, but not mother, like earth spirit, right? That's what I want to be. I want to be in flowy caftans with giant sun hats.

Speaker AYou know? That's so good.

Speaker BYes. And like a full beard. And, you know, just like, and then wear a crop top and maybe put jeans on and still be seen as who I am. Like, and we're struggling against so many of these pieces. again that technology has made possible but has also put like has replicated the ability for us to create uh to create strictures on what we think is optimal yeah to create our new beauty standards

right technology enables us to communicate those new beauty standards across the world and it also allows us to change the way that we look and it also allows us to have like it allows us to have clothes in many different sizes but also allows us to mass produce only the certain

Alexsizes we want to mass produce you know yeah i mean you both brian and cassie just mentioned this in passing but like i i am the ideal for hair removal because my body hair is that of what most cis women want to get rid of so that medicine and tech has been designed for me and i think we also need to get into what if there is a difference i don't really know if there is but like the

difference between medicine and tech and that accessibility and the norms around it like it it goes so far beyond anti-fatness and beauty standards and it is i interesting how things like hmm github and well i'm thinking of github but i'm honestly thinking of like coding and debugging in general of how it's pretty normal to take things and reuse things and i don't understand i am again probably the least technically okay i'm the least uh code

fluent here and i and like i'm sure there or i've heard about different standards and practices and things that are frowned upon and whatnot but the so much of the copy and paste and like confusion around coding i wish more people would you don't even need to embrace it when it comes to gender or the human body but like just accept confusion without making yourself or other people uncomfortable like confusion doesn't feel like a uh morally bad to to me and i think most of the

like hashtag discourse around whether it is uh queerness transness the or fatness or race it's a lot of it comes from a place of confusion not just like anger but just confusion and sometimes just internalized confusion and as humans like i don't know confusion shouldn't equal fear but we've kind of defined it as that yeah being more comfortable with confusion

Speaker Athat's so good and like also yeah first of all techno i think like what is technology great question i think medicine's technology like yeah certainly right like i think like and i think like yeah being okay with confusion and like it's hard because like i think like we should both be okay with confusion and try things out and like be fine with playing things around and also like

Speaker Cwalking things back if it doesn't work for you yeah and being like actually it was wrong like

Speaker Athat's okay like we i think we should be okay with being like i don't know i like to think about like the way you're right a lot is by accepting you were wrong and being like nah it's wrong and then now changing your opinion and now you're right right like now you're correct and that's okay like that's part of the being right process is being wrong and being oh damn i was wrong being wrong learning about it and then being right eventually yeah and trying to be like a lot of am i wrong like searching for that when you have a thought when you have an opinion am i wrong

Alexyou know or am i just truly unable to comprehend this and be fine with it like i i do not comprehend i cannot comprehend why people like i i can definitely comprehend why people like other people with boobs i cannot comprehend why you would want them i can't like i try so hard because i tried to make myself want them and i've kind of accepted like i don't think that's a concept i'm going to be able to grasp and that is okay i'm also probably not going to ever know to know how

to code python or write python i don't even know the right terms which like i i don't want to simplify people down to coding languages but i i mean do it we're all coding languages do it do it like i i mean it's great that there's markdown and i i'm very much a markdown person and i think it's okay that i am like i do not understand like i'm a little bit in javascript

but i don't understand what most of you are talking about but oh god i don't want to say valid but i mean no it's okay alex i already said valid like four times we broke that seal but it is but it is cool that all of you are doing this differently because you're all making the the world better and more diverse and uh god oh sometimes valid is a valid word

Speaker Cvalid has its uses and also having tits is great it's fantastic i love it's so funny i was about

Speaker Ato joke being like alex i know you're about to be like but it's like i was being like alex but don't you know like they're great and i'm like wait alex i can you know alex yeah you know yeah

Alexyeah it's so confusing and i don't know if it matters i i truly and if someone wants to argue that it is important i'm also very open to like trying to understand why i don't like having them but uh find other people having them okay and sometimes enjoyable but sometimes not and it's i'm like describing bisexuality but bisexuality is like an easier safer word well at least now it

is kind of sort of and oh god yeah yeah let's see well that that binary part yeah we all know

Speaker Awhat you mean we trust you hope i know the internet is a catastrophe but always

Speaker Btechnically queer oh that rhymes we're about duality it's not binary exactly but we are about bi people. Yes.

Speaker ABi people. They're sick. They're valid. They're also well.

AlexI thought you were going to say bi people and that's how we would sign off. That's it. We're done.

Speaker BThat's it. That's it. Where's the bell? Ding. Ender. It's over. That's the joke. And then the other thing we had as an idea that Quinn came up with as a segment but is what Quinn called sholey chip which I couldn't take it because. I didn't

Speaker Aknow how often we do this and so i originally wrote weekly chip but i was like that seems like a lot yeah and so i wrote sholey chip but like haha like computer chips and chips like what technology have you been snacking on oh which i do love that idea yes i love that too but we might

Speaker Bhave to do like the the bi-weekly chip or the bisexual chip bisexual chip and there it is

Speaker Abisexual chip ice cream everything is a pun because we're queer um but i think what we

Speaker Bcould do is we can we can breathe by uh the bad stuff and then like lean into glee and two more seasons of heart stopper yeah yeah we can be like netflix fun fact

Speaker ADid you know that they suck? But also...

AlexRicky Gervais?

Speaker ABrr! So I'm going to start this off with 10 minutes of slagging on trans people. Because, you know, they haven't had it hard enough. I love that. No.

Speaker CTrans people need it harder.

Speaker BYeah. I mean, honestly, I do. Honestly, I do need it harder, too. Because that needs to go in. absolutely but this week um so let's i mean let's do the by chip right but the question is what's the technology thing you've been snacking on uh for us i guess since the last show was show negative one uh that quinn has in their head um but yeah what about in the last like weekish time like

Alexwhat y'all been snacking on technology wise oh speaking of time i am sort of an avid time tracker And it used to be because, you know, capitalism. And I was like, how do I squeeze all of this crap out that, oh, that sounds actually like a healthy bowel movement. But it wasn't healthy. It was just like getting every second of my time to be the most productive. And then now that I work for myself, I'm like, oh, wait a second.

I need to keep track of my time so I don't just make myself start going off the walls and trick myself into thinking that working for myself means that I'm not doing capitalism. So I use, hopefully friend of the show, Joe Timery's app. Joe Timery. Joe Timery. Joe Timery made an app called Timery that uses Toggle's API. And Toggle is a, like, kind of, well, I don't know.

It used to be the de facto time tracking both app and service. But Timery now has an Apple Watch app. And the reason I like that is because I can even more obsessively track my time. but in a way that does not bring me closer to my phone and like have the the twitter official twitter app call to me and i i just like twitter.com as i like to call it

and so instead of being tempted by twitter.com it's almost like time tracking for me has almost taken on this like intentionality practice and just i'm like trying to be more present and less like yes bleep bloop this is exactly what i am doing so it's kind of a uh thought technology along with uh the awesome updates that timery joe has implemented thank you timery joe or joe

Speaker Btimery whichever you like please let us know show time of course um quinn what have you been

Speaker Asnack it on okay so like there's a few things that i've been snacking on um one of them is mostly a joke but i'm gonna call it technology because i have to plug that's how it starts i i've i've owned these fairy lights for a really long time and i decided to finally hang them i know that's deeply silly but uh they were plugged into the part and then single attached to it but Also, I've also been starting to use Do, the D-U-E app. I love Do.

Speaker BI love Do too, but I've learned how to ignore it.

Speaker AUh-oh. So I haven't learned to ignore it yet, but I've been trying this thing. I'm just like, I want to do something like four times a day. I used to do it like morning and night, but now I'm like, I'm going to do it four times a day. And I was like, how am I going to remember these middle parts of the day? Morning and night, so easy. When you wake up, when you go to sleep. There's easy time things. The middle of the day, not easy. complete cluster and i'm like binaries they're back uh so i've been using due to just like be annoying to me which has been like very successful but now i'm thinking how can i use due in other

parts of my life i've been trying to not over systematize my life kind of how alex you're talking about that i'm like i've been as i jokingly told my therapist trying to be more of my sagittarius sun and less of my aquarius moon um which just means uh i'm trying to like kind of go with the flow and like be kind of like allow myself to be messy and not try to like overthink everything and be inside my head all the time but I think if I use like I'm trying to see if like I can use like certain apps and things to like have me in the same way you're saying like be more

intentional not have to think about like everything not have to be in my head and like put that outside and I think that do is going to be super interesting in that because it's going to help me like remove things that I need to remember so I can remember and just like not be in my head about remembering about all those things you know and I know that it's like the old school type of thing

Speaker Cthat people have been using forever but I just started using it I mean like offloading your brain into your phone is one of the best things I've ever done that helped with my ADHD

Alexfuck yes that's why I think my doctor literally said I think you use text so much is and that is that you were able to allude an ADHD diagnosis. And I'm like, oh, okay. Thank you, I think?

Speaker CI have so many to-do lists. Okay. Cass. Oh, I guess I can go. So since we last talked, which never happened, I've really been playing Elden Ring, which is- Cass, how do you feel you're a stereotype? How do I feel I'm a stereotype?

Speaker AYeah. What do you mean? You don't know the trans femme question mark. a dark souls meme no wait what is it before i get into elden ring what is this well it's just that all trans men people like they played two games as a child they played fallout new vegas and they're like why don't i like that game and then they played dark souls and elden ring the trans men is dark souls so like this just it's just that they play it that's it that's all of it is yeah

Speaker Cyeah no mass effect was my fallout new vegas um although i have played fallout new vegas coming out yep yeah it is um yeah so my my uh my bisexual chip is elden ring because it is very good i have sunk 212 hours into this game and it's been like two months it's insane it's ruining my final boss is sexy but really hard oh my god that final boss step on my stamps it's so good I haven't really

Alexfinal boss isn't hard I mean final boss is hard

Speaker Bfinal boss doesn't make you hard

Speaker Away harder than the game you know the game's like surprisingly like you can cheese through it with like a wand of raining down meteors or whatever and then the final boss is like no

Speaker Che will step on me and please please step on me not into men but into that guy um but because i've sunk so many hours into this i haven't really gotten to any other tech stuff that i've wanted to get into like i have this fancy ass keyboard that i can program into different things that i got hyper focused on this morning instead of doing other things but yeah elden ring very good don't play it don't play it what keyboard did you get the digma rays i got it like at the beginning of the pandemic

Speaker Aand I love it. I love fun keyboards. I only have one. I have this ErgoDocs keyboard, but it's really pretty. That's really the only reason I got it is because it's extremely pretty. Exactly.

Speaker CPrettiness is underrated sometimes.

Speaker AYeah, I got Magical Girl keycaps on it. I should have known something. Who could have guessed? And, yeah. Cute Keyboard Club. Whatever.

Speaker CBrian, are you in the

Speaker BCute Keyboard Club? No, I mean, no, not currently, unless the Cute Keyboard Club is the Touch ID keyboard. Is that a color?

AlexBut they're pretty cute.

Speaker BThey are pretty cute. The other day I was like, wait, these keys are not deep enough. Not deep enough. I'm going to turn into my car. I'm going to take out my touch ID. I mean, honestly, these days, nothing is.

Speaker CIs this going to be a horny podcast? Oh, in like the way that it's like horny, but also like not, right? Like deniably horny.

AlexYeah, absolutely. That's the thing. I am far hornier on podcasts than I am in real life. And I've accepted that is who I am.

Speaker BAll right, I have three things I decided. One, YubiKey. Because trans people get docs on Twitter. So I'm trying to make sure that people can't get into my shit. But you know what? These things are not simple. They are simple, but they also are not as cool as I wanted them to be. I don't have to touch it every time.

Speaker Ayou get the NFC one

Speaker BI have the NFC one too so I have two I have the 5C Nano which stays in my Mac studio and then I have the 5C NFC and I haven't set everything up I've only set it up for like one or two things so far but I need to go further deeper and further absolutely and programming like I'm trying to learn to program I had a great conversation with Joe Fabicevich who used to work at Twitter and now is sort of out on his own and is like doing one-on-one time with underrepresented people in tech.

Speaker COh, that's cool.

Speaker BAnd we talked about, like, the things that I wanted to get into. And so I'm trying to learn. I need to just do my final project for Free Code Camp's responsive web design. And then my job is to go and build myself a website. And then come back when I get confused.

Speaker ABrian, you can ask me if you need help.

Speaker BOh, absolutely. Absolutely. I just have to finish. I built so many websites. I know, Quinn. You're going to build our website. Absolutely.

Speaker Aactually sponsored by squarespace yeah no it's sponsored by queen space sponsored by netlify.com they'll host our website for free because we're an open source project absolutely very true for

Speaker Bfree because it's free but but yeah i'm really um fascinated uh by programming and specifically the web because i want to build cool things on the web uh for fat people uh that's like my current massive plan is to just build the massive plan. God, fat people were the best. And so that's it for the first episode of Technically Queer. Thank you all so much. Please reach out to us at contact at technicallyqueer.fm Please let us know what you like. Tweet us. You guys are awesome. Goodbye!

AlexBye!

Speaker BBye! If it ends up in the show we'll add a link to the show notes. I gotta say that. You know, that's how it works.

Speaker CYeah.

Speaker AI mean, you've got to say I'll be in the show notes and then not add it to the show notes. Like tens of shows I listen to. That's classic right there.

Speaker BEvery episode of the talk show. Yeah. Where John Gruber swears he's going to put the things in the show notes and then he doesn't.

Speaker AWell, at least there's show notes. The worst is when there's no show notes ever and they're like all added to the show notes, but there's never any show notes. Like, I don't know how to say that.

Speaker BI really want to say there's no show, just notes.

AlexI think. i have wondered what would happen if you just did a podcast and released it on spotify and it was just you know like either line noise or complete silence and then you like put your blog in the show notes because if like i don't know if if spotify does kill rss like what do we do start opening blogs for a podcast yeah i mean uh what's your i uh one of the influence scam dot flewers

like they did it wasn't anna delvey she was bigger than instagram but like oh caroline calloway like blogged in the instagram captions and i was like oh damn that's powerful i love that

Speaker Athat's that's the energy I want right like using technology the way that it maybe shouldn't be used but in a really fun way like that's how the retweet was invented and maybe we should delete the retweet but maybe we should uncreate the retweet but we can go back to community made retweet you know I don't know if the retweet is as bad

Speaker Bas the quote tweet

Speaker Aquote tweets are awful

Speaker Band also I love the quote tweet like let me say both of these things are true

Speaker Ayou know duality is not binaries as we previously said absolutely previously this is our first

Speaker Bepisode previously on episode negative one that we didn't record it you'll never hear

Speaker Ait's a secret episode we'll release it someday well yeah well actually i recorded it secretly with my brain uh and i'll go through and i'll speak it oh my god with different voices with different voices because yeah like i think like i'm trying to get into this voice training thing you know it is dysphoric yeah yeah yeah i'm definitely intriguing by this thing so like what if i didn't sound like deep boy all the time you know it'd be pretty sick i have resources so

i can send them your way i i found some on tiktok you know of course that's the best place to find resources like like unironically yeah yeah but then i'll be able to change my voice all the time and you know then i could do the the different voices of everyone and it'd be perfect yeah like i i have a gay voice and i have a boy voice yeah yeah yeah i love that you're like being clear that

Speaker Blike i want to be very very clear that i'm not going to talk in a certain way all the time i'm

Speaker Agoing to switch it up regularly well the goal is to have a voice that i like but the fun part is that eventually you can learn to do it. So, like, then you can show up and then confuse people by, like, immediately dropping, you know?

Speaker CPhilosophy Tube still uses her man voice for audiobook recordings.

AlexOh, really? Yeah, it's wild. It is wild to me, actually, how few trans voice actors there are

Speaker Abecause, I mean, there's really no one more suited.

AlexAnd I no longer know what my normal voice is because it was always really deep when I was a kid and I had to like shift up and like I cannot sing in the range that I talk and which is why I sound like so all the time wild yeah yeah living as a young woman is indeed just a wild ride you know there are many days where I'm just

Speaker Clike glad I wasn't born a woman like my one of my friends was complaining about period cramps the other day and i'm just like i'm sorry but also we'll never have that problem oh it is a ride

Alexlet me tell you not that i would be experiencing that right now or anything but i will say i i really wish there was less of a stigma for people being tired when like literally their life force is being drained from their body and you know just like like i'm not saying mandated maps but

Speaker Athere's that new spain law where you can take time off for period pain is there really well i don't know if it's like officially a thing yet but like because i know people are being like about it you know it's either spain or portugal period vacations it's

Alexnot it's probably not gonna stop spain yeah yeah the spanish government on tuesday approved a draft

Speaker Alaw that would make spain the first european country to grant women um days off work because of menstrual pain um as well as extended access to abortion under the new law a woman would have the right to time off if a doctor diagnosed them with severe menstrual pain so like not the best you got to have a doctor be like you got extreme menstrual pain but you know something pain is

Alexsubjective just flexing on us at this point and it's like all right we get it you have yeah we does you have mandated vacation time all right all right what is vacation time yeah i'm pretty sure this was the former reply all editor who was like we need to stop calling them long vacations and just say that they are vacations because two days is not a vacation

Speaker Cand sorry a weekend yes well no and it's like ah the weekend friday is the end of the week it is

Alexthat should be part of the weekend it's the end a long vacation or sorry a long not long vacation a long weekend is friday through monday and no one can convince me otherwise that's probably not

Speaker Atrue but i'm just gonna say it i i i like that like i think like when people like whoa you get the long weekend my dad's company gives gives him the day off on friday and monday for most long

Alexweekend and i'm like you're kidding yeah yeah that's that's what cards do too because it's like you're like none of you are going to actually be working anyway none of us are actually going to be working anyway so like let's not lie to ourselves oh i didn't work today yeah it's friday my dude who's working it's like we all know that you are going to be on twitter The same thing happened, like, it's absolutely wild being in an office where pretty much every, like, the youngest or, quote, the oldest person is, like, a young Gen Xer.

Because when a, like, when a tragedy would happen, which was, you know, quite often, basically, like, we would all shut down. and that is like i mean i don't know how to say it like like there should be a term of like okay it's national tragedy day like well and or national excitement day like when the llamas

Speaker Cescaped and like we're just expected to go back to work now i can't work after this

Alexnot after llamas it was genuinely like that we all left at 3 p.m after the llamas were caught because it's like what else is there gonna nothing else is going to happen

Speaker Athere's definitely days i'm like well that's it like i'm not doing any more work today uh and then i just like i'm like chilling and then if someone ever if someone slacks me i'll be like oh no i gotta do work but otherwise i'm like uh i'll occasionally respond to emails and i will respond to your slack messages but otherwise i'm not here and so because i have always worked remote because I'm a child um I've decided something that I think is true but I don't

know if it's actually true when you work remote you always feel like everyone's doing more work than you because if you ever see them they are doing work because you're seeing them in a meeting context or like about work but you see yourself doing work and not work so you don't see anyone else slacking off so you assume everyone is working 100% of the time and you're working 30 of the time or whatever you know but actually you just don't see the amount of time other people

Speaker Care not doing work oh yeah that's a hundred percent true um although there are definitely co-workers of mine that work way too much now that they work remote um but for the most part yeah i don't think most people are working more than like 60 of the time i mean but it feels like

Alexall the time it well and and that was kind of like the like i don't want to say the business plan But the sort of illusion that 37, I don't know what they are still called, 37signals slash base camp, the people, everyone, either everyone's mad at them or they love them. Like, they're the Elon Musk of start. Yes, yes. They're like the Elon Musk of, like, hipstery startups that are not actually startups because they're nearly billionaires.

Speaker BOh, yeah, because DHH is, like, so toxic.

AlexOh, yeah. He's like a, well, they always say, Jason Fry just personally, as someone who I've spent, I think, enough amount of time with, I will say that he has the same vibes of a DHH, but in real life. And also, he does not do great things for the neighborhood because his property values really shut up everything in River North.

Or not River North. That's the really expensive neighborhood in Chicago. But, like, there's this illusion because the... And I think almost everybody I know experienced this, quote, during the pandemic because it's over now, as we all know. Yeah, we wrapped that up a year ago. Yeah, it's all done. We got bored.

Speaker AIt's done. You know that song, The Pandemic Isn't Over Just Because You're Over It? If the government decides they're over it, they actually can decide it's over.

Speaker BSo Hebb actually has a Discord, and she's absolutely amazing. And I'm on her Discord. The person who wrote that song. The Pandemic Isn't Over? Really? Hebb on the Web, yeah, absolutely. It's called Hebb's Web. That's awesome. She's brilliant. I love it. I've never heard the song. a trip to like she's like friends let's all get together and go on a trip and like they're going to like Barbados or something like she wanted her fans to come along like how neat is that I mean it could end poorly but just pair of pals you know

Alexthat seems like something that's either going to be absolutely amazing or is going to become a documentary or

Speaker Clike a fire festival

Alexyeah like a fire fest or a true crime situation

Speaker CI don't know which one I want to see

AlexI'm kind of here for both I have in my will I think and by my will I do mean a document in 1Password that I've created that's mostly filled with jokes

Speaker Ait's called will.md

Alexwell now I'm changing it to that the

Speaker Bthe

Alexwill question but like no i i want it to be that nobody can like buy or sell my uh like like i want my spouse and uh my friends and family to have the like full rights to make a terrible dumb podcast about me like i want them to be the ones profiting off of it i do and like the more uh like exploiting the death of a white person like go ahead like ever like go ahead you can do it but i want them to be

the ones who are like yep definitely gonna like get amanda seyfried to oh god amanda seyfried who would play amanda seyfried sorry i just went on my head for a second and decided on the cast are we casting your life and death movie now yeah well that's it oh no i don't want my life to be in just like my own family dies just the death yeah

Speaker Ajust how like you bought you bought a scooter and then you're like this is a great idea and that was it

Alexthat's the last we heard of them yeah

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